Way to go jjan how long was the ride over to tc from mienkes. We went north of the shipping channel close to turtle island 10 to 12 fow tons of marks but only got one short. The water was very muddy maybe that's why we couldn't get them. We tried tipping with shiners and without. My buddy caught the one casting a Michigan stinger spoon ha ha. I'm trying to decide where to try tomorrow any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.