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I'm still learning how to run dipsy divers. I kept getting tangled with the two poles together on one side. Does the 3 setting make the diver go out or back farther. I learned back farther but when you reel the 3 setting in how do you not get tangled with the 1 setting.
The 3 setting makes the diver swing out farther but not as deep. I keep my inside rod diver at the lowest setting and move the outside rod divers to the highest. Etc.
So when you reel your 3 setting in it won't interfere with your 1 setting. I'll give that a try.
When you trip the diver such as when you have a fish on, it will swing back to the center. This is why I rarely use the zero setting because it will be straight back. I Generally use the 1 setting on the closest rod. Of course it depends on how big your landing area on your boat is. Mine is not very big.
So if the trip on the out side swings back in how does it not tangle with your inside pole
We run our #1 size dipseys with rings usually at a 1 and 3 setting.Some rules you need to follow to prevent them from tangling.I firmly believe a snubbed on them helps them from spinning when setting them out.And use the clicker when putting them out too.
Weigh your dipseys and the heaviest ones go on inside dipsey or 1 setting.That is because if heavier dipsey on outside,the dipsey sinks when slowing down or turning and can tangle with inside dipsey.
The 3 setting needs to have a longer lead than the inside 1 setting just like running inline boards.The 3 setting goes in rod holder further forward toward bow and the 1 setting behind it.
The three setting goes out further away from boat and forward of the 1 setting.When setting them out always put out the #3 first,but if you need to put out the 3 setting with the 1 setting running ,start on opposite side of boat and put it out slow enough that it goes over the line on 1setting.BUT....if there is a fish on the 1 setting you could get a tangle.
If you are bringing the #3 setting in over the #1 than,when you pop the release,it will raise up and over your #1 setting.BUT..if there is a fish on #1 setting could get a tangle.
We have our four dipsey rods identical and run hi vis yellow braid that's calibrated.Then adjust the rod holders so rod tips close together.That helps us tell if have a fish on any of the rods.A bigger bend or a different angle of line into water is a tipoff you may have fish on.The big advantage to dipseys is how quickly you can check and reset them.I am constantly checking them and adjusting screw tension on dipsey with screwdriver I keep in pocket.
Dipsey move through water like a kite,they are not static but move around with changes of speed and current.That is one reason they catch so well.We caught most of our fish last season on worm burners,this season the double willow harnesses have caught the best.Good luck.
I do not set the first rod out as far so when the outside rod trips it will travel back beyond the distance of the first rod to the rearQuote:
Originally Posted by badboards
I do not set the first rod out as far so when the outside rod trips it will travel back beyond the distance of the first rod to the rear.Quote:
Originally Posted by badboards
That's a lot to take in. I'm going to be reading this over and over for days to fully understand it and I mean that in a good way. I had tangled line, twisting line pretty much all of the above. Fishing shouldn't be that hard. should do a instructional video Bob it would help a lot of people out. Thanks
What I mean to say is when you have a fish on the 3 setting what keeps the fish from tangling with your 1 setting as your bringing it in.
When you have a fish on your outer rod, and it is set farther back, it will move even farther back once the diver is tripped. Also generally the fish will rise as the whole rig also swings behind the boat clearing your first dipsey rod. Think of your rods being set like the wings on a jet. The farthest one out should also be the farthest one set back.
pimplepounder is giving you great advice. i recommend anyone starting out with divers go out at least 1 time on a charter the fishes divers. it is the best money you will spend on fishing divers. I went out 2 days I guess I'm a little slow, LOL. but after those 2 days, we went out on our own running 3 divers per side. we still had a few tangles. some were because we let them out too fast and they tangled on the way out. sone tangles were getting the divers set on the wrong side of the boat. boy did that cause some mother of all tangles. and some were caused by just bringing in a fish or empty line. so besides these here is my advice.
if you're running your 3 diver in the front out say 150' to get to the fish. you need to set your 1 diver out 135' to keep them apart. I run 3 divers now and have very few tangles. but we'll keep you on 2 for now. the most important thing you can do if you bring in the 3 diver is hold the rod tip up high and move to the center of the boat without getting slack in your line wait a minute for the diver to go up and over your 1 diver, now reel your fish in.
make sure the left rod is set to the left and always set on the left.
to let the 3 diver out over the 1 diver move over as far as you can get to the other side without tangling it in the diver on that side. now with your clicker on on your reel start letting it out slow. if the back diver is out 135' let out 140' then lift the 3 rod up and over the back rod and place in the rod holder. the 3 diver should go up and over your 1 diver and settle in place. hold the rod tip slightly elevated letting the 3 diver out over the 1 diver. always let the 1 diver out 15' less than the 3 diver. then when you let the 3 diver out over the 1 diver go 5' or 10' past the 1 diver then take it up and over the 1 diver. be sure and let them out with the clicker on just loose enough the line pays out slow. hope all this helps you get started. it sounds like a lot to remember but once you do it a couple of times you'll have it. pm me if I can be of any help.
Thanks for the help everyone. My big mess was putting the wrong diver out the wrong side. Messed up the morning pretty bad. The right left thing got me good. I then watched very closely where it was going. Also learned to let out slowly. Thanks again.
and once you get all that straight, a good sized walleye takes the #3 down and through the #1. It just happens sometimes with bigger fish, they go where they want to. Maybe even learn how to use the other lines to their advantage.
Rickerd
Bob, thank you for that very good explanation on the dipsys.
I think most of the tangles occur when setting the dipseys out.Especially if trying to put out a 3 setting with the 1 setting a ready in water.Any fish on that 1 setting and will most likely tangle.I'm watching that 1 setting as that 3 setting going out on clicker.If I see rod move on that 1 setting, I will stop the 3 setting going out and reel it in.Another area that could cause problem is that dipsey going through that prop wash.I try and get that dipsey deep enough initially to miss the strongest prop wash.
The second area of potential tangles is when both rods out fishing and a fish is on a line without pulling the set lever.That fish will affect the position of the dipsey by its weight and movements.So keep an eye on the bend in rod and angle of the lines.If in doubt check em.
You all are a fountain of knowledge. I will reflect back on this many times. Thanks again.
Great input on this Thread! Thanks everyone! Have been running #1's for around 25 Years and there is a ton great info here, so thought I would add some other info for everyone's consideration;
Definitely using the clicker for me and thumbing the spool, especially when setting the outside Dipsey over the inside one's. Setting out to fast will "wrap" the line around the release, which is not fun to retrieve later on, or entangle another Dipsey. Release tension: I carry a small stubby screw driver in my pocket to change release tension, I set them based on the days conditions. Try to have them as loose as possible, without tripping with nothing there, or to hard to release when you wrist snap to break the release. Use only one wrist snap, or rod pull to release the Dipsey, maybe two? Be super careful letting out a Dipsey while turning, watch the line and stay out of another Dipsey's path. If you have your "#1" Dipseys dialed in and catching, use the Dive curve chart, Trolling Bible or App to set the other setting Dipseys quickly to the fish zone, although alot of times active fish will be at different depths. The reverse is true also, set your Dipsys via the dive curve chart for the depth of the fish. Tangles happen: If two Dipseys get tangled, get both rods out of the water ASAP, not good to leave them twirling around, bad things will happen, time is of the essence!! Super Snarls and Cluster Flucks: A bad tangle, If you have spent more than 5 minutes trying to untangle, save the time and aggravation and get out your knife and retie, life is short! Although sometimes I like the challenge... So writing all of this (very fresh in my mind), I had my worst cluster in 4 years on Thursday, tired and sore (surgery complication) set out the 3.5 on a starboard turn, too quick on the port side, did not notice it right away, it tangled in the 1.5. Other crew were busy, captain was busy, so had to get the tangled rods/Dipseys out by myself, which took to long. Did not wait the 5 minutes once they were in, out came my knife. Best of all, my fishing "friends" were kind enough to save the cut cluster/snarl and display it at beer thirty back at camp for all to behold.
Sounds a lot like the tangle I had. Took me a half hour back at camp to get mine out. Had a dipsy two worm harnesses and 2 leaders to cut out. Was quite a mess. I didn't have an extra dipsy to use that day but I did learn to make extra leaders to have on hand. I'll maybe have 1 more walleye trip to try what I've learned here before I start perch fishing. I will have to put to use the perch techniques that I learned from last year from everyone. This is a great forum.
I tie my leaders with 20# Seaguar flourocarbon at 7ft with a swivel and a snap.I make sure I have at least 6 leaders or 2 extra ones available to use.The flourocarbon is pretty stiff and you have a good chance untangling that flourocarbon if you tangle the leader.Now if the braid line tangles don't waste much time,cut and retie.If two lines tangle,bring in both rods together and you may luck out and just have to just move one line under another.But bringing them in together does lessen the tangle some.And watch those other lines,those fish seam to have an uncanny ability to bite when you are busy doing something else.
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Originally Posted by badboards
The best thing I have found to reduce tangles when running multiple dipseys on each side is to let them out by loosening the drag and not just using the clicker. We loosen the drag just enough so that they go out very slowly. This keeps them pulling so they stay away from each other and stops them from spinning, etc. If we need to bring in a dipsey for some reason, we will point the rod at the dipsey and pull straight back, which will easily trip the diver. It will then rise quickly and fall back to the middle. We run the forward most rods on a 3 setting, with more line out. The next rod back is on a 1 setting with less line out. Then on the corners we have our down-riggers. If you let them out with the drag, you should not have tangles.
One more thing: When setting lines, we put out the forward rod first and put it in a rod-holder, with the drag just loose enough so that it goes out slowly. As soon as the first one is starting to go out, we start on the second one. We will have 4-6 rods all going out at once.Quote:
Originally Posted by slimshady
Try this video - although its a salmon application the principal is the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by badboards
In case the embedded link didn't work here's the direct URL - Setting and Managing Double Divers - YouTube
Pretty good video. Is it important to toss your outside diver that way. I was just letting it out slowly next to the inside diver.
We don't toss them to the side. I rig all of my divers with a fairly long lead (for salmon). Just let lure out behind the boat, extend rod out and over the inside diver line before deploying slowly. As others have mentioned we ran our high divers at a 3+ and low divers 1-1/2 - 2. If we're running mag divers they go on the low/inside, and smaller divers up high.Quote:
Originally Posted by badboards
We are able to trip and reset either high or low divers without having to pull the other first. That is with a flasher/fly combo twirling behind, so I would think a walleye spoon or stick bait wouldn't pose issues either.
We have 8' rods on the inside (low) and 9' on the outside (high). Seems to work fine. Just make sure all the dipsies are set for the right side.. easy enough to mess up. Also those dials can get a little loose, so need to make sure the 3 stays on 3, etc.. ;)
I'll give that a try. It would seem deploying the outside diver behind the boat and crossing it over the inside sounds like suicide. I'm assuming the inside diver is deep enough that it crosses right over without a problem. Thanks for the tip.
I'm running a 30'+ leader to my lure, so trying to dangle that to the side would be difficult. L Mich water is so clear that leader lengths have increased over the years. If a person is running less than a 10' leader I'd probably just hang the whole works outside of the inner diver and begin to deploy. Sorry for the confusion... my brain is in salmon mode yet. Wish Erie wasn't 12 hrs away for me, because that Summer bite sounds like a blast! Good luck!
Here is a sample version of what I use when fishing 50 foot of water, and targeting in the 30+ foot rangeQuote:
Originally Posted by badboards
I prefer Dreamweaver Dispy divers over Luhr Jensen (preference). I also take a finger nail file and sand/file in between the release because generally they are too tight from the factory for my liking.
I use two different sizes of Divers- 107mm on my inside boards and 82mm on my outside boards. (preference)
Shorter length poles inside( 8' )and longer on the outside (10') also helps!
Keep in mind you can only use spoons, worm harnesses (w/ short lead lenghs) and shallow divers on the dipsys
Tangle preventers
1) Make sure the outside dipsy divers are going away from the boat not towards it
2) Use the clicker once sending the divers out (Slow and controlled)
3) Click over once desired length is reached and set drag light but not too light in case of a very large fish or stealhead
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Thanks EE sounds like good advice.