Bought a couple 001 dipsy divers. I know how deep they run but how far out do they go, so I know how much space is in between line's.
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Bought a couple 001 dipsy divers. I know how deep they run but how far out do they go, so I know how much space is in between line's.
I don't think you'll find any info on how far out they run horizontally... Even though your line (visible line, from the rod tip into the water ) appears to be riding mostly straight back, the #2 and #3 setting dipsy's are really getting out there. Unless you're running into trouble tangling a #3 dipsy into your inside board line(s), which only seems to happen either with really small fish riding a dipsy or when you trip it to bring it in depending on how fast you crank it....
Maybe I'm confused as to what you are asking???
Yes It sounds like you answered my question. I've never used the larger dipsy and was having a hard time finding any information about how far out horizontally they spread out. So saying pretty far out there is good enough for me. Basically I'll be trolling with 4 poles so if I have my 2 outside poles on a 2 setting would the inside poles be fine straight back with no assistance.
There really is no info on how far out a dipsey runs.That would depend on lead and speed.We run dipseys a lot once the spoon bite starts catching.But we only run 2 dipseys per side and usually are running them with a #1 and #3 settings.That gives you enough room between them to prevent tangles.A lot of guys run 3 dipseys per side and you have to be A lot more carefully because they are closer together.
A couple of rules when running dipseys to prevent tangles.Weigh your dipseys.Sometimes there can be a difference of .6oz between them.Put heaviest dipseys on inside.That is because when you turn and the inside turn slows down,the heaviest dipsey sink faster.
Male sure your outside lead,#3 setting is always longer than your inside lead,or #1 setting.When letting out your dipsey,make sure clicker on.If dipsey let out too fast will rotate and cause line to wrap around the release.If putting a #3 setting line out over a #1 setting that is already out,move to opposite side of boat so the dipsey has room to clear the line of the #1 setting.If attempting to put that #3 setting over the #1,make sure there is no fish on #1 setting or you will tangle almost for sure.
We also have colored 8" snubbers on our dipseys with color indicating starboard or port side.I think snubbers also help prevent dipsey rotating when putting out due to added weight pulling lure back.I super glued all our rings too since they can separate if tough on them.
I also keep a Phillips screw driver in my pocket to adjust tension on the releases.I want the tension to be just tight enough to hold when running.So speed and choppiness of water affect the amount of tension on the release.I'm often adjusting a lot initially or when rocking of boat causes false releases.
We use #30 hi vis yellow power pro braid on our dipsey rods.Leaders 7ft seaguar 20# flourocarbon.Have been using more spoon harnesses past two seasons too.Takes some time and practice to fishing successfully with dipseys.But they can really catch fish and you can check and reset them pretty fast.Good luck.
Thanks Bob. That is a lot of good advice. Can't wait to get out there. Be a while before we will be using dipsys but since I just bought them my curiosity was getting the best of me. The things you explained you don't get on the back of the packaging. Much appreciated.
I was reading over your reply again. Some people don't use snubbers how important is it. Also if you have 1 line on the out side on a number 3 setting does the inside line need a dipsy. Can it be straight back on a snap weight.
If you run your inside line with only a snap weight or something, it'll end up in your way when your catching Dipsy fish... unless you want to try to reel them in and net them off that side of the boat.
And my 2 cents on snubbers: yes, yes, YES, and HELL YES RUN THE SNUBBERS!!! In my early years, I was losing a lot of fish on the Dipsy's... both strikes that didn't get hooked up, and losing them reeling them in.... until I went to the snubbers. We land better than 90% of fish hooked up on Dipsy's now...probably 95%+...
Agree with Capt Eric on using snubbers.A dipsey on a 3 setting dives fast and could tangle with an inside line that is not beeper and shorter than the 3 setting.The dipsey with a setting of 2 through zero would be deeper than the 3 setting though.
We run 2 dipseys and 1 jet on each side. Dipseys set at 3.5 and 1.5. When we catch on a dipsey, we move the jet to the center of the boat to a rod holder and net the fish on the back corner of that side. Then let the dipsey out on the same corner with the clicker on and spool speed tightened to slow release until it is out the proper distance and then let the line tighten. No muss, no fuss. We set the 3.5 10 numbers further back than the 1.5. We make wide turns, keeping all lines tight. Snubbers are must. I put snubbers between dipsey and the line from the pole. Some fellas I know put the snubber behind the dipsey and then to the leader. Not sure of the results.
most people put the snubber behind the dipsey but when it's really rough out a snubber in front of the dipsey helps with false releases from the wave surges
Big yes on the snubber. I even started using snubbers on jet divers run straight back. Have not lost many fish since.
I wish this thread was published two years ago when i started using dipsys. Would have really helped out, great info here- this should almost be a sticky.
About the only thing i could say is that it's best to use braid on your dipsys to the diver- then snubber and a floro leader. I troll for salmon on Lake Michigan and alot of guys use wire for their deep, inside dipsy. I will have two wire divers in use myself this upcoming year. Not only do they run a tad deeper but the wire is supposed to give off a frequency that attracts fish.
Being old and forgetful, I stand corrected-snubber goes behind dipsey. Some guys put them in front. Sorry for the mix-up. Normal for me anymore.
Me and the wife have trolled 4 years with only 2 poles one on each side. Only used weights to get the lines down to where the fish are. Guess I never cared about how many fish I caught just enjoyed fishing. But now I don't get up there as often so I want to fill the freezer. It will be a while before I need a dipsy but looking forward to using them for the first time. I've caught walleye on plainers before in the spring with 3 poles. Adding a 4th this year. I'll post an update on how that all goes.
If you plan to run 4 rods this spring off planer boards,a couple rules to help.Longer lead on outside board.If adding weight to line,keep weight all on same side or inside board.Never try to pull a weighted line over an inside/unweighted line.If trying to reel in a fish on an outside board,past an inside board a couple pointers.Turning the boat away from side fish on helps.I would go to opposite side of boat and reel fast to skip the outside board past inside board will work.Learn to use the orange OR19 release on front of board.With that orange release a quick yank on line will pull the line out of that front release and fish will come in behind boat.Good luck.
Can you run a plainer board on the outside and a line straight back in the corner. How much space needs to be between line's.
Hi Everyone,
I was reading this thread, and wondered why no one mentioned running dipsey's on the "Big boards" ?
I run up to 6 dipsey's per side on Big Boards with rubber bands at the line releases.
What I do is run them all on same settings. Example, I set all of them on a zero setting, set them back 100 feet and hook to release. Let out line to get them away from the boat and keep them about 20 -25 feet apart, When a fish hits, let it run behind the boat and then reel it in to the net.
Works great for me. Hope this helps someone out.
Capt. Bill
I have run them for years. I think it's size "0" is between a 30 and 40 jet. If you run them make sure they are "tuned". All "0" settings are not created equal. Once you set them for direction make sure they are running straight back. Then set as you would a Jet.
If a guy wanted to run a straight diver program, I would go to Slide Divers Lite Bites. It's easy to "stack" three divers (or more) a side. This program would be for someone with a lot of diver experience
Don't forget about the Tru-Trips divers! Nothing has done more for big board trolling speed and efficiency that the #40 Tru-Trip!
Most people trolling with big boards are using true trip 40s.Nothing can beat putting limits on board faster than big boards,braid,TT40s and spoons.Most charters are using that method.The problem of using weights when trolling,is the weight and lure sink when they slow down during a turn.If fishing in shallower water or Rocky bottom,can get a snag when making a turn.True trips,jets and cranks float.so they rise up when slowing down.But weights and dipseys sink when they slow down.
The tt40 with spoons do you bait those with worms. I bought some spoons about 4 years ago used snap weight's to get them down but never had much success.
[QUOTE=itsbob;70984]Most people trolling with big boards are using true trip 40s.Nothing can beat putting limits on board faster than big boards,braid,TT40s and spoons.Most charters are using that method.The problem of using weights when trolling,is the weight and lure sink when they slow down during a turn.If fishing in shallower water or Rocky bottom,can get a snag when making a turn.True trips,jets and cranks float.so they rise up when slowing down.But weights and dipseys sink when they slow down.[/QUO
Having your baits sink on a turn is not a bad thing, it can also produce. Like any other program, you have to have situational awareness, and know the characteristics of the tool you are using to attain the desired depth. Unfortunately, most fisherman have to learn these lessons on their own.
I will be entering my 41st year on the western basin of Erie and I've pulled hardware every way you can imagine (and some ya can't). Sometimes I will offer a different way to present a bait, even though it's "OLD" tech, simply because it's on the boat. With the size"0" dipsey I originally bought to run off boards for coho over on Lake Michigan. This presentation was a no brainer when I came back to Erie. I started pulling spoons off them back in the mid 80's before Jet Divers, Tru Trips. Of course now I have Jets and TTs and if I am fishing deep it's easier the match "the word" around the dock with these two products. IMO if you fished "O" Dipseys and Jets/TTs side by side, the catch rates would be close. Now if I were a guy just starting out, and I was targeting Walleye, I would buy the Jets/TTs. It would shorten the learning curve dramatically, but if I came across a handful of "O" dipseys, I'd use them off big boards.
Yeah fishhawk, with that old school trolling experience you have that 0 dipsey was productive to fish with,and still is.As for lures rising or falling in the water column,yes that is a very effective way to trigger fish strikes.That is why a lot of trollers make S turns to trigger bites.I was just pointing out to novices,that you can snag the bottom when lure sinks.Luckily,most of the locations we fished last year were deep enough and had a soft bottom,we rarely had to be concerned about it happening.
Michigan scorpion stinger spoons all come with treble hooks. What brand do you use. Does a single hook matter that much.
Single hooks (#02 siwash) on all my walleye spoons. On my smaller cranks with two hooks (Wiggle Warts, Rattle Tots, ect) iGo up one size on the rear hook and take the front one off. Ant of the cranks with three hooks(Bandits) , I take the front hook off. The main reason.....safety, the fewer hooks the less chance of someone getting stuck. It also makes it a lot easier getting fish out of the net. I se NO difference in catch rates with the fewer hooks.
I'll give that a try. I've gotten those hooks stuck in my hand before spent the day waiting for the doctor to work it out. So I'm on board with that idea.
Capt Eric what is the reasoning in going to a single hook? Better hook ups or less tangling in the net?
Captain Eric. I'm looking for a dipsey to troll with spoons or crawler harnesses. I see a 3/0 which is 2-1/4" dia but doesn't seem to have a release, and a 001 3-1/4" dia. Would you recommend one of these or perhaps something else. I like the size of the 3/0 but not sure about it without a release, and the 3-1/4" seems large but perhaps not. Thanks!