White Catamaran Capt. D!$&

To Whoever the charter captain in the white catamaran running near Kelleys and the Monument today your sir are a P&$ck, I talked to West Marine and they said that they have plenty of replacement steering wheels since yours doesn't seem to work and plenty of books on boating for dummies!!!!
CROSSING PATHS
Your vessel: You’re on a crossing course with another vessel that could result in a collision if neither boat changes course or speed.

The other vessel’s on the right: It’s the privileged or stand-on vessel and you must let it pass in front of you.

The other vessel is on the left: You’re the privileged or stand-on vessel and you must pass in front of the other vessel.

Just because you have big boards out doesn't give you the right to go as you please and not adjust course.
Next time ahole I'll come back after cleaning my tangled lines and cut your boards loose and you can spend the next couple hours of your charter cleaning up that mess.

We had a similar issue last fall with a white cat running a charter......he actually yelled at me and pointed to his boards.......but never mind I had birds out.

We all have to share the water, we all have the same right to the water as the next boat. No one boat has more right to the water than other, but there are some rules of the roadthst all should know and follow. Which vessel is the stand on and which is the give way seems to be an issue that comes up alot.

For me the easy way to remember is just looks at your bow light. The red is on the left (port) and the green is on the right (starboard). If a boat is coming from my right they will be seeing my green light and I their red. Green means go, they go, red means stop, I stop or give the right away. Of course it goes the other way for a vessel coming to me from my left. I would be the stand in and they would be the give way.

It's as easy as red a green. But alot of ppl just dont care. Thete has been a few times I almost said f*%$ it and let the coast guard figure it out after they hot me....but in the end I like my boat too much to let some smuck hit me when I can do something about.

No one like to get run of their lines, and common sense goes along way. It never fails ypu will 20 boats working a pattern the same direction and all is well, then someone wants to start going 90* to the crowd causin be issue for all.

I carry a sharp blade and wire cutter close by though incase I have to snip one off. And have collected some nice lures from ppl.

The above assumes that both vessell are power and not a sail boat involved

This guy was the 90 degree crossing the pattern coming from my left so I had the row, I turned and turned trying to avoid him, then I stopped he was pushing me into the bird covered island and the ahole still ran my boards over.
Sounds like he needs a lesson on what's a left and what's a right!!!!! If wasn't for the fact I had my son with me and trying to teach him the right thing to do I would have been doing doughnuts in his spread.

If it's the same White Cat that I have had issues with over the years he seems to think the larger boat has the right of way. He just plows through and thinks blowing his horn gives him the r.o.w.

Oh boy....sounds like nothing has changed this year!

Sounds like the same white cat that I know all to well!

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Originally Posted by Eriegardless

Sounds like the same white cat that I know all to well!

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This has happened to me as well. Wish I had a paint gun to decorate his boat.

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Originally Posted by Rebel-1

This has happened to me as well. Wish I had a paint gun to decorate his boat.

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That's a good idea lol

Video camera and a call to the coast guard sounds in order. I guess the dash cam will be going from the truck to the boat when I'm out there next week.

Yup I had the same issue with that boat last year.... He ran over all my lines and I lost all my rigs. Hope he sinks!

Sure hope his transom plug doesnt loosen up accidentally and it sinks in the dock. Would be a real shame

There are three Cats out there that I know of.....Two are the "Sara J", (Capt Gary and Capt Calvin)...and, the other is a private boat called the "Tiff-N-Eyes"...
I know that Capt Gary and Calvin would not run over your lines and would be quick to get on the radio to let you know where they need to go, if they can't follow the rules of the road, due to someone else being in the way. At least that has been my experience with the Sara J's.

What was the name on the boat that gave you trouble?

Hey guy's, maybe he is suffering from Affluenza, where he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and daddy never taught him the difference between right and wrong, all it is going to take is for him to come across the right person that will not let him get away with the things he is doing, find out what charter it is, and post it on this site, let everyone know what kind of jerk he is and let his business suffer until he changes his way's, Just get the boat color and boat number and post it, we all share the love of the lake and it is not worth one person making it bad for everyone.

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Originally Posted by Capt Juls

There are three Cats out there that I know of.....Two are the "Sara J", (Capt Gary and Capt Calvin)...and, the other is a private boat called the "Tiff-N-Eyes"...he's not a Capt, and might not be aware that there are rules of the road, and thinks since he's a bigger boat he has the right of way. There are a lot of ignorant boaters on the water in that respect.

I know that Capt Gary and Calvin would not run over your lines and would be quick to get on the radio to let you know where they need to go, if they can't follow the rules of the road, due to someone else being in the way. At least that has been my experience with the Sara J's.

What was the name on the boat that gave you trouble?

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The only small issue with the radio thing is not everyone runs the same channel.......so even if callling that way it might not be heard

Capt Juls, I was so mad and I was busy trying not to lose all my gear that I didnt catch his numbers but It sure looked like Tiff-N-Eyes in small letters on the bow. What makes it worse is once he had all my gear the Ahole never stopped, turned or slowed to keep from making it worse. If he is not a charter captain he was sure acting like he was one with his group.

My issue was a Sara J boat. A$$hole would not move and no one was on the other side. Wide open lake with 400' of board line out. If I didn't turn 90 degrees and reel in my outside board I would have lost it.

I didn't really want to go there but mine was and has been many times with a Sarah J boat too. I guarantee there are others on here who can relate to trolling along and Sarah J comes barreling up from behind blowing the horn for you to get out of the way. Not even at a 90 degree....I mean coming up from behind and trying to crowd between you and whoever is running beside you and blowing away. Sorry Jules.

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Originally Posted by Eyezcrazy

I didn't really want to go there but mine was and has been many times with a Sarah J boat too. I guarantee there are others on here who can relate to trolling along and Sarah J comes barreling up from behind blowing the horn for you to get out of the way. Not even at a 90 degree....I mean coming up from behind and trying to crowd between you and whoever is running beside you and blowing away. Sorry Jules.

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Absolutely!!! My 90 degree turn was AFTER being ran over once a few passes before that. Two times and I was out...moved and actually caught more fish. Guess I should thank....

There was a white cat docked at Wild Wings last year, have not been up yet this year, not sure if this is ya'lls buddy.

I had an issue with that same boat last season , I had right of way and kept cutting me off.
I saw him in that area you were in Sunday and told my wife , there is that A**hole we ran into last year.

Thanks for the help and sorry there are so many who have had a run in with this boat. It truly is a shame on that big of a lake we have to deal with this stuff. I have been able to identify the boat in question and I'm pretty sure by now they know they have been called out for their behavior, news travels fast on such a big lake too.

I am not going to defend anyone at all in this thread except to say that unless someone knows the name of the boat, then don't "speculate" and get everyone bashing a captain that wasn't involved.
I am not a captain, I don't Charter. I have casted and I run big boards...
being that Sara-J appears to be getting some blame here, and the original poster didn't use any names, even said he wasn't sure, please be really careful in attacks on a specific boat.
I do not know Gary of Sara-J. I've never officially met him or talked to him.
However, over the past 8 years of me running big boards I have probably fished in the same areas and packs as him and been around his boat as much or more than anyone in this forum. I have never seen him disregard boating protocol, and have never heard him being a jerk on the radio.
Accidents do happen. I'm not defending him, nor saying that no one has had an issue with him.
I am saying that I've been within 100' of his boat dozens of times over the years, and "as a whole" he is a good captain. He doesn't deserve "credit" for an issue that the original poster doesn't even know who it was.
He definitely doesn't deserve a bunch of bad PR from this board when we don't know who it was.
This forum has always been the best on the web in my opinion because we have great contributors and we don't have the drama of other sites.
If Gary ran over your boards and cussed you out, and kept your gear, feel free to post an accurate account of that.
My problem with what is going on here is that everyone "trolling" these forums and the general public read this and form an opinion of Sara-J charters and Gary, and he may or may not even be the boat involved.
There was nothing wrong with this thread at all until speculative names of boats were thrown into it. Those of us who fish the Western basin already know potential culprits without anyone mentioning names.
By the way... there are more than 2 white Cats on the West end of Lake Erie.

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Originally Posted by WVWalleyeHunter

keep from making it worse. If he is not a charter captain he was sure acting like he was one with his group.

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Acting like a charter captain???? I'm not sure what this means, but please don't lump all charter captains into one group! I run the second largest full time private 6-pack boat on the lake, and I couldn't tell you how many times I've turned off a line that I wanted to be on because someone else (no matter what size their boat) had the right-of-way. Some people get it, some people don't. Right-of-way has nothing to do with size or the number of lines you're running. I've had little boats come at me on my left side, get inside my board line, then yell at me because I'm the *******! I'm sorry, but if you were on my right side, I would have turned long before you got that close, it's simple right-of-way.

I do everything I can to work with all the other boats around me, and sometimes we get in a pinch and have to call on the radio and ask for some help. Maybe ask someone to slow down just long enough to get by if we can't turn the other way. It happens! And about 6 times out of 10, we'll get a little help from the other boat. The other 4, we just have to deal with it. None of us want to trade paint out there......the paperwork just isn't worth it.

Oh, and my 2 cents on the original issue here? As the captain of any vessel, it is your responsibility to maneuver your vessel in order to avoid collision, even if you do not have the right-of-way. It sucks, I know. But in order to save your gear, sometimes you need to give way when you shouldn't have to. There are too many boater out there that either do not understand the rules of the road, do not care to follow the rules of the road, or get too involved in what's happening out the back of the boat to realize what's about to happen in the front!

Process of elimination.....this particular boat is not a charter. I saw Sara J mentioned a few times here... If it were a Sara J boat, close enough to hit your gear, you'd easily be able to identify it. Sara J's boats are floating billboards, you can read Sara J from 3 miles. (I'm saying this was NOT a Sara J boat involved in the original complaint post.) "Eagle Eye" is another 34' King Cat, and he is in the water at Anchors Away, but has not been out on the lake yet. "EyeTime", another 34' King Cat, still in the building at Anchors Away.

Anyway, thanks for reading this far. Tight Lines! Good luck! Stay safe!

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Originally Posted by Madd Matt

I am not going to defend anyone at all in this thread except to say that unless someone knows the name of the boat, then don't "speculate" and get everyone bashing a captain that wasn't involved.
I am not a captain, I don't Charter. I have casted and I run big boards...
being that Sara-J appears to be getting some blame here, and the original poster didn't use any names, even said he wasn't sure, please be really careful in attacks on a specific boat.
I do not know Gary of Sara-J. I've never officially met him or talked to him.
However, over the past 8 years of me running big boards I have probably fished in the same areas and packs as him and been around his boat as much or more than anyone in this forum. I have never seen him disregard boating protocol, and have never heard him being a jerk on the radio.
Accidents do happen. I'm not defending him, nor saying that no one has had an issue with him.
I am saying that I've been within 100' of his boat dozens of times over the years, and "as a whole" he is a good captain. He doesn't deserve "credit" for an issue that the original poster doesn't even know who it was.
He definitely doesn't deserve a bunch of bad PR from this board when we don't know who it was.
This forum has always been the best on the web in my opinion because we have great contributors and we don't have the drama of other sites.
If Gary ran over your boards and cussed you out, and kept your gear, feel free to post an accurate account of that.
My problem with what is going on here is that everyone "trolling" these forums and the general public read this and form an opinion of Sara-J charters and Gary, and he may or may not even be the boat involved.
There was nothing wrong with this thread at all until speculative names of boats were thrown into it. Those of us who fish the Western basin already know potential culprits without anyone mentioning names.
By the way... there are more than 2 white Cats on the West end of Lake Erie.

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Thank you Matt....I was thinking the same thing. Well said.

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Originally Posted by Madd Matt

I am not going to defend anyone at all in this thread except to say that unless someone knows the name of the boat, then don't "speculate" and get everyone bashing a captain that wasn't involved.
I am not a captain, I don't Charter. I have casted and I run big boards...
being that Sara-J appears to be getting some blame here, and the original poster didn't use any names, even said he wasn't sure, please be really careful in attacks on a specific boat.
I do not know Gary of Sara-J. I've never officially met him or talked to him.
However, over the past 8 years of me running big boards I have probably fished in the same areas and packs as him and been around his boat as much or more than anyone in this forum. I have never seen him disregard boating protocol, and have never heard him being a jerk on the radio.
Accidents do happen. I'm not defending him, nor saying that no one has had an issue with him.
I am saying that I've been within 100' of his boat dozens of times over the years, and "as a whole" he is a good captain. He doesn't deserve "credit" for an issue that the original poster doesn't even know who it was.
He definitely doesn't deserve a bunch of bad PR from this board when we don't know who it was.
This forum has always been the best on the web in my opinion because we have great contributors and we don't have the drama of other sites.
If Gary ran over your boards and cussed you out, and kept your gear, feel free to post an accurate account of that.
My problem with what is going on here is that everyone "trolling" these forums and the general public read this and form an opinion of Sara-J charters and Gary, and he may or may not even be the boat involved.
There was nothing wrong with this thread at all until speculative names of boats were thrown into it. Those of us who fish the Western basin already know potential culprits without anyone mentioning names.
By the way... there are more than 2 white Cats on the West end of Lake Erie.

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Better go re-read the comments here. The OP never mentioned any boat names....just said it may of appeared to be the one Juls mentioned but also said he could not confirm. I WAS the ONE that said Sara J cause IT WAS a Sara J boat that I was referring to. And I have my facts straight and know for sure that I could read Sara J cause had I not moved I am sure I could have reach over and cut his board tow line with my pocket knife as it bounced off the side of my hull. And then he looks at me and shrugs his shoulders and holds up his arm like "Whaaat???" He may be a GREAT Captain and the nicest guy on the lake but the day/occurrence I am referring too...maybe he was just having a bad day but he was completely out of line and I had to do what Capt. Eric mentioned. Alter your course to avoid a collision at all cost...if you have the right away or not.

Great post Capt. Eric....very well said! I see it happen all the time...people get in a pinch when there are that many boats in a small area, I get it and it has happened to me but most people are always willing to work together.

what i have learned is that many on the lake do not know that the right is right away or the left. the dont know what it means...or whos right are we talking about. They are confused as to who does what. for me...if someone is trolling...or sitting..and i am moving..i get out of their way...way out. I dont go full throttle or even close when near people jigging. this happens to me all the time. Many people are just ignorant of the rules or just dont pay attention. when i tell people in my boat that the guy on the right has the right of way....they always ask.....whos right??? Maybe pamphlets at the marina with a diagram and pictures would help. lol I have been on the lake since 86 when my dad lived there. He was one of the first to troll. Most hated that then. the problem we had then was the sail boats. They ran over our boards a couple of times. We used the big boards with the curtain rings and pulled 3 lines a side. sometimes yellow birds. But it was always fun.

No offense intended to the good Charters out there. That was not the point of my post, it was to help me identify the culprit and that has been accomplished.
I did every thing I could to aviod the conflict, the area was not crowed and he had no reason not to turn and avoid me, like I said before i kept turning and turning to avoid him and even stopped to reel my gear in. He pushed me up against the shallow area and rock pile by the monument and then ran over my gear as I was reeling it in and never stopped and then he continued on like I wasnt even there.
I have identified the boat and it was not A Sara J boat or Eagle Eye or Eyetime.
If i have a run in with them again I will deal with it as approporiately and as "immaturely" as possible.

WVWalleyeHunter it sounds like you did everything right in this case. You gave way, even when it wasn't your obligation. You did everything you could prevent an incident. I have no idea who this person/boat was but it sounds like they were just trying to be a bully out there on the water.

I realize that there are always two sides to every story, so I will refrain from formulating opinions on any one person or boat. But from what you've stated - you did everything right; especially the part about not retaliating in the presence of the children.

Its sad that some people are selfish and inconsiderate of other vessels on the water. Hopefully we can all learn from this; and move on to respect each other on the water and become better fisherman.

I don't know who's right or wrong here but I hope know one would take action into there own hands. We all have had incounters on the lake. Take your lumps and move on. Respect the lake respect others. No fish worth the hassle to me.

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Originally Posted by Eriegardless

Better go re-read the comments here. The OP never mentioned any boat names....just said it may of appeared to be the one Juls mentioned but also said he could not confirm. I WAS the ONE that said Sara J cause IT WAS a Sara J boat that I was referring to. And I have my facts straight and know for sure that I could read Sara J cause had I not moved I am sure I could have reach over and cut his board tow line with my pocket knife as it bounced off the side of my hull. And then he looks at me and shrugs his shoulders and holds up his arm like "Whaaat???" He may be a GREAT Captain and the nicest guy on the lake but the day/occurrence I am referring too...maybe he was just having a bad day but he was completely out of line and I had to do what Capt. Eric mentioned. Alter your course to avoid a collision at all cost...if you have the right away or not.

Great post Capt. Eric....very well said! I see it happen all the time...people get in a pinch when there are that many boats in a small area, I get it and it has happened to me but most people are always willing to work together.

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I believe that if you read my post that you would see that you and I are in complete agreement... I am confused as to what you think I said. Multiple times I mentioned that the OP post was perfectly fine, and a good conversation and good post. He didn't mention any names.... Also, if you read my post, you will see that I commended you for telling your story with a boat name when you knew exactly who it was, and said that it was perfectly fine when you know what happened and who did it. I was not calling into question your account and have no problems with it.

I don't own this site and don't have any right to tell anyone how to respond. However, there are enough of us who have been in here for years and we all truly appreciate keeping the drama that is so common on other sites out of Walleye.com.

I was merely asking that everyone not jump to conclusions on the OP's run in on the Lake with a specific boat when we don't know who it was. In your personal case, obviously you know. So tell your story. No problems there.

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Originally Posted by Madd Matt

I believe that if you read my post that you would see that you and I are in complete agreement... I am confused as to what you think I said. Multiple times I mentioned that the OP post was perfectly fine, and a good conversation and good post. He didn't mention any names.... Also, if you read my post, you will see that I commended you for telling your story with a boat name when you knew exactly who it was, and said that it was perfectly fine when you know what happened and who did it. I was not calling into question your account and have no problems with it.

I don't own this site and don't have any right to tell anyone how to respond. However, there are enough of us who have been in here for years and we all truly appreciate keeping the drama that is so common on other sites out of Walleye.com.

I was merely asking that everyone not jump to conclusions on the OP's run in on the Lake with a specific boat when we don't know who it was. In your personal case, obviously you know. So tell your story. No problems there.

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Thanks for explaining yourself further but I apologize that is not how I took your post. You clearly stated you were not defending anyone but followed that up with numerous points of view on the type of person/charter you perceive Gary to be. AND mentioned not to throw out Sara J's boat name if you were unsure. The OP never mentioned a boat name till Jules named 3 cats that she knew of. I was the only person that confirmed Sara J with my experience from last season other than one other poster. So i hope you can see where I could interpret your post the way I did. I have no issues or beef with you. Just don't use me to make a point when I did the opposite of what your trying to make a point about.

I agree with you about this site compared to others and hope it stays that way. Anyone that knows me I'd hope they would say I do all I can to help others out so we go home having a great time and enjoying this great lake. With an added bonus of catching a fish or 2 or maybe learning something new.

Good luck and good fishing this season!

He is the same capt that when your drifting or at anchor, doesn't mind blowing by 100 ft away wide open throttle when theres a whole lake to use.

Absolutely fishin2! Had that happen to my wife , son , and myself on 2 different occasions when we were perchin between green and rattle. That capt or private operator is a complete idiot!! Uneducated, disrespectful, and a DANGER to all when on the water. Wish I would have paid more attention to the name or numbers was just too upset at the time. I was more worried about my family's safety. He needs reported, and next time a video will be taken to validate it . Soon after, authorities will be notified. This is bull$@#!