Got up to show met up with copo wondered around i brought my nephew who is 8 yrs he had fun but even more impatient than me lol. There some good blades and gear available also. Stopped by innovative outdoors to say hay hey to mr and mrs fishkiller and was very impressed with their dealings with customers not just pushing their products but sharing good tips and techniques to all who asked. For sure good people to deal withfor those of you learning lake erie be glad you have such people with knowledge of the lake at help you out. . All you need to do is ask! As anyone who fishes knows getting info on great lakes is usually a hard thing to come by its always a secret amongst the clicks more times than not you need to know someone very well to just get a hint Of where and how. Hats off to the good people of innovative.