Thanks for all the good info everyone shared and all the pms i got theres to many people to list. This is a great site with a lot of good people. I would like to give a special thanks to capt. Jim he has been so good to me and alot of us on this site. I have completly changed the way i fish erie trolling with his help and patience. Everyone have a safe winter and hopfully see you on the water in the spring as long as issue 2 fails.